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		<title>By: MMR</title>
		<link>http://loteriachicana.net/2009/03/21/dad-schools-cindy-part-40/comment-page-1#comment-55915</link>
		<dc:creator>MMR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember those days of debating with my dad.  My dad came from the same school of thought as HP&#039;s mom - dad is always right.  I miss those days.  My dad now suffers from Alzheimer&#039;s Disease (really Lewey Body Dementia) and Parkinson&#039;s Disease and has lost his powerful voice.  You are doing a wonderful job of chronicling your parent&#039;s stories.  I wish I had thought of doing such at an earlier time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember those days of debating with my dad.  My dad came from the same school of thought as HP&#8217;s mom &#8211; dad is always right.  I miss those days.  My dad now suffers from Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease (really Lewey Body Dementia) and Parkinson&#8217;s Disease and has lost his powerful voice.  You are doing a wonderful job of chronicling your parent&#8217;s stories.  I wish I had thought of doing such at an earlier time.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. pz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr. pz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your dad sounds like a wonderful parent. :)  Perhaps a happy medium to HPs torn comment about whether to pay for good grades or not is to set aside some money every time your child pulls off an A or B in a college trust fund.  I think it is a good way for parents to save $ and the child feels like they &quot;earned&quot; something for their hard work.  Whether or not parents can afford to do so or whether young kids can understand delayed gratification is another story. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your dad sounds like a wonderful parent. <img src='http://loteriachicana.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Perhaps a happy medium to HPs torn comment about whether to pay for good grades or not is to set aside some money every time your child pulls off an A or B in a college trust fund.  I think it is a good way for parents to save $ and the child feels like they &#8220;earned&#8221; something for their hard work.  Whether or not parents can afford to do so or whether young kids can understand delayed gratification is another story. <img src='http://loteriachicana.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anytime you can start off a blog post with a quote from Sandlot, you&#039;ve got my attention. Great lesson from dad, great movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anytime you can start off a blog post with a quote from Sandlot, you&#8217;ve got my attention. Great lesson from dad, great movie.</p>
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		<title>By: lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah ha ha!!!! i remember that day... we thought we we&#039;re so slick, and we&#039;re so excited to come up with a such strong argument... we thought we we&#039;re so badass that we finally could beat dad and all his reasoning.... man we were so wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah ha ha!!!! i remember that day&#8230; we thought we we&#8217;re so slick, and we&#8217;re so excited to come up with a such strong argument&#8230; we thought we we&#8217;re so badass that we finally could beat dad and all his reasoning&#8230;. man we were so wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: el random hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>el random hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use that same kind of logic on my sisters and friends. Learning to be a smart ass like that has helped me learn many a lesson and in turn, help others learn lessons as well. Example, &quot;Ohh I&#039;m tired because I have to wake early.&quot; (early being 8 a.m.) Me, &quot;Back when I was an apprentice electrician I had to get up at 4 a.m. to be in Santa Monica by 7 a.m. everyday.&quot; Friend gives me evil look of, &quot;I hate your guts pedejo.&quot; I smirk back because they know I&#039;m right. Check and mate haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use that same kind of logic on my sisters and friends. Learning to be a smart ass like that has helped me learn many a lesson and in turn, help others learn lessons as well. Example, &#8220;Ohh I&#8217;m tired because I have to wake early.&#8221; (early being 8 a.m.) Me, &#8220;Back when I was an apprentice electrician I had to get up at 4 a.m. to be in Santa Monica by 7 a.m. everyday.&#8221; Friend gives me evil look of, &#8220;I hate your guts pedejo.&#8221; I smirk back because they know I&#8217;m right. Check and mate haha</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your dads parenting philosophy, where he explains the reasons behind each act and encourages respectful dialogue. I remember reading a short description of Milton Friedman&#039;s parenting style by his son, who said that his father insisted on always having a rationale for why he does things. He would explain it to his children and give them the ability to retort. It was the exact opposite of how I was raised. Both of my parents rarely explained why and I hated it. My mom even had a magnet on the fridge that read, &quot;There are only two rules in this house: 1. Mom is always right, 2. When mom is wrong, refer to rule number 1.&quot; It never made sense and I plan to follow your dads philosophy with my kid.

Regarding paying for grades, I am torn. Of course paying smart kids for good grades is not a good idea, after all, they find getting good grades easy. But what about the marginal kid who has to study harder to get good grades? Paco&#039;s response of &quot;Why pay them for doing well in school. They’re supposed to get good grades.&quot; does not follow,  were not talking about paying a kid not to get F&#039;s. Anything more than a C would be directly correlated with effort, and trade offs. Why should I study harder instead of say, hang out more with my friends? Play video games? Chat with my girlfriend? Etc. Time is valuable and if you want to reallocate my time, it makes sense that you adjust priorities accordingly. Its what we do in the economy all the time, whether were talking about our mechanics, babysitters, teachers, or doctors - the more time and attention you want them to spend on a certain task, the more you pay them.

On the other hand, you are supposed to teach a  kid a love for education &lt;i&gt;in and of itself&lt;/i&gt; and paying a kid to study can, in the long run, take away from that. But again, this depends. The easier school is for you, the more you will naturally love it. But not everybody is smart, there are marginal kids and those kids will not so easily develop a love for education - just as I would not so easily develop a love for playing basketball, as much as say, my 7 foot neighbor. Where to strike that balance? I guess its up to the parents who know their kids best, but whatever the decision, it seems clear to me that the lower you go in IQ, the more paying kids for grades makes sense (but for it to work, its more than a simple $20/A, the pay has to be proportional to the valued effort it takes to get those grades - for example, if a kid is really in love with his girlfriend, and wants to spend every minute with her, you are going to have to pay him a whole lot more than $20/A to get any real change in his grades...but this is another topic for another post).

Btw, love your new layout and I see that your dad missed your brothers game. Tisk, tisk, tisk, what kind of father misses his sons sports games? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your dads parenting philosophy, where he explains the reasons behind each act and encourages respectful dialogue. I remember reading a short description of Milton Friedman&#8217;s parenting style by his son, who said that his father insisted on always having a rationale for why he does things. He would explain it to his children and give them the ability to retort. It was the exact opposite of how I was raised. Both of my parents rarely explained why and I hated it. My mom even had a magnet on the fridge that read, &#8220;There are only two rules in this house: 1. Mom is always right, 2. When mom is wrong, refer to rule number 1.&#8221; It never made sense and I plan to follow your dads philosophy with my kid.</p>
<p>Regarding paying for grades, I am torn. Of course paying smart kids for good grades is not a good idea, after all, they find getting good grades easy. But what about the marginal kid who has to study harder to get good grades? Paco&#8217;s response of &#8220;Why pay them for doing well in school. They’re supposed to get good grades.&#8221; does not follow,  were not talking about paying a kid not to get F&#8217;s. Anything more than a C would be directly correlated with effort, and trade offs. Why should I study harder instead of say, hang out more with my friends? Play video games? Chat with my girlfriend? Etc. Time is valuable and if you want to reallocate my time, it makes sense that you adjust priorities accordingly. Its what we do in the economy all the time, whether were talking about our mechanics, babysitters, teachers, or doctors &#8211; the more time and attention you want them to spend on a certain task, the more you pay them.</p>
<p>On the other hand, you are supposed to teach a  kid a love for education <i>in and of itself</i> and paying a kid to study can, in the long run, take away from that. But again, this depends. The easier school is for you, the more you will naturally love it. But not everybody is smart, there are marginal kids and those kids will not so easily develop a love for education &#8211; just as I would not so easily develop a love for playing basketball, as much as say, my 7 foot neighbor. Where to strike that balance? I guess its up to the parents who know their kids best, but whatever the decision, it seems clear to me that the lower you go in IQ, the more paying kids for grades makes sense (but for it to work, its more than a simple $20/A, the pay has to be proportional to the valued effort it takes to get those grades &#8211; for example, if a kid is really in love with his girlfriend, and wants to spend every minute with her, you are going to have to pay him a whole lot more than $20/A to get any real change in his grades&#8230;but this is another topic for another post).</p>
<p>Btw, love your new layout and I see that your dad missed your brothers game. Tisk, tisk, tisk, what kind of father misses his sons sports games? <img src='http://loteriachicana.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through the same thing growing up. I was hardly a genius, getting mostly B&#039;s in elementary school, but I remember my cousins -- who were rascals and hoodlums, but played baseball really well -- would always get money, or a new Nerf toy, or some special dinner when they played well and I got crap when I received an A in math &amp; English one year. 

I never cared after a while, and now I know my dad was doing a good thing by distancing that feeling of entitlement from me. Unfortunately, the trend didn&#039;t stick. My 16-year-old nephew (my Brother&#039;s oldest) is on fire. He&#039;s been nominated to attend the National Young Leader&#039;s Conference in D.C. this year, he&#039;s going to Paris in June with 10 other honor&#039;s students, he has an iPhone (I couldn&#039;t get a beeper at 16!) and he has a 3.9 gpa throughout two years of high school. My dad&#039;s perspective? The kid gets paid $10 an A. Damn the times have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through the same thing growing up. I was hardly a genius, getting mostly B&#8217;s in elementary school, but I remember my cousins &#8212; who were rascals and hoodlums, but played baseball really well &#8212; would always get money, or a new Nerf toy, or some special dinner when they played well and I got crap when I received an A in math &amp; English one year. </p>
<p>I never cared after a while, and now I know my dad was doing a good thing by distancing that feeling of entitlement from me. Unfortunately, the trend didn&#8217;t stick. My 16-year-old nephew (my Brother&#8217;s oldest) is on fire. He&#8217;s been nominated to attend the National Young Leader&#8217;s Conference in D.C. this year, he&#8217;s going to Paris in June with 10 other honor&#8217;s students, he has an iPhone (I couldn&#8217;t get a beeper at 16!) and he has a 3.9 gpa throughout two years of high school. My dad&#8217;s perspective? The kid gets paid $10 an A. Damn the times have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: -k-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-k-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait.. that&#039;s still not fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait.. that&#8217;s still not fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents&#039; philosophy on money for grades was identical to your parents. Surely a big part of it had to do with having six kids and a bunch of smartie pants, but more than that, they believed that we should be getting those grades anyway.

Interesting you mention them &quot;paying you for grades&quot; by paying for your activities, etc. I tell my siblings who still live at home and are in college or have jobs that the price they pay to live at home are their chores and the relatively few things my parents ask of them. I don&#039;t want to hear their complaining about the dishes if they&#039;re not even paying rent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents&#8217; philosophy on money for grades was identical to your parents. Surely a big part of it had to do with having six kids and a bunch of smartie pants, but more than that, they believed that we should be getting those grades anyway.</p>
<p>Interesting you mention them &#8220;paying you for grades&#8221; by paying for your activities, etc. I tell my siblings who still live at home and are in college or have jobs that the price they pay to live at home are their chores and the relatively few things my parents ask of them. I don&#8217;t want to hear their complaining about the dishes if they&#8217;re not even paying rent!</p>
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		<title>By: spam fried rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>spam fried rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude... i never even got a &quot;good job&quot; for good grades. I got, &quot;A&#039;s huh? Well, there&#039;s always room for improvement.&quot; When I said, &quot;But that&#039;s the highest it can go!&quot; The parents said, &quot;Well I&#039;m sure you didn&#039;t get 100&#039;s on all your tests.&quot; GRRRR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude&#8230; i never even got a &#8220;good job&#8221; for good grades. I got, &#8220;A&#8217;s huh? Well, there&#8217;s always room for improvement.&#8221; When I said, &#8220;But that&#8217;s the highest it can go!&#8221; The parents said, &#8220;Well I&#8217;m sure you didn&#8217;t get 100&#8242;s on all your tests.&#8221; GRRRR.</p>
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